have you read my disclaimer? THE UNDERPINNINGS OF CHILD-ADULT ROMANTIC/SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS (Intergenerational relationships) First of all, if you got here because you are looking for help for a kid who is showing definite and destructive signs of abuse or neglect, this page is not for you. Try here... http://www.mhnet.org or contact your local authorities. Or, perhaps the best thing you could do - become their friend. (A friend will possibly do both of these things if necessary, and more.) If you're unsure about what you're gonna learn here, congratulations for coming this far. I assure you, there are some very surprising things ahead. (I myself have been very surprized - even shcoked - to learn some of these things, and I have a very personal reason for researching all this.)(Yeah, you know what I mean.) I hope you are brave enough to take a look at things more objectively than we have been taught to see them. And I believe I have some very good reasons to believe what I have here. You can reach me at "[email protected]" Sorry I have to remain anonymous. But, as you will soon see, this is a very dangerous time to live in - not for what I have done, but for what I havn't done.anon These are the issues that I see people talk around - basing their emotional reactions taught to them and never questioning or researching the ideas holding up their beliefs. This is my research. These are my questions. If you've never read a book on child rights, the history of childhood, or child sexuality, I would suggest that before reading what I have to say. As, childhood has become to us a very deep and powerful social tool. They are no longer mere offspring. And what this thing called childhood has become, the way we think of them individually and collectively, is a lot of what we have imbued them with. This way of thinking about children is a relatively new theory, or assumption of what and who they are. Our beliefs about them do not become true because those ideas are popular. I urge you to take a look, and give a second thought to "children" and "childhood". In this paper I will need to make assumptions, as it is argued that human minds can KNOW nothing absolutely. I will be assuming: 1) Non-consensual sex (rape, coersion, trickery, threats, pressuring, blackmail) is never positive. 2) Non-consensual pornography (whether it contains a sexual act or not) is most often bad. 3) Star Trek only made four seasons worth of shows. (The rest of the years were re-runs.) Therefore, I will avoid them here to avoid any accidental condoning or arguing for them. If you think you find ANYTHING in here that you think condones these things, you are most likely misunderstanding my message. The thought of a child in pain sickens me as much as it sickens you - be assured - I WILL NOT condone them! Forgive me for inadequacies in organizational skills. I am really going against my mental strengths by trying it this way. (I graduated 145/150.) If I have extensive writings of my own, I will try to provide at the end of each paragraph, a parenthetical statement, so I can state in plain English what I mean to say. (These will not be meant to replace the paragraph, but to help focus the main idea.) My seven main questions are: 1) Is sex evil? 2 Are children sexual? 3) Can children understand love, sex, and consent? 4) Do children have the right to consent? 5) Can sex be good for a child? 6) Is there anything wrong with men being attracted to young girls? 7) What about pornography and prostitution? And a couple more questions...8) Is America in a child sexual abuse hysteria? 9) What about incest? (Is it a game the whole family can enjoy?) We will need to take a look at definitions. For instance, "molestation" can mean kissing an eighteen year old fiancee of four (or ten) years. At the same time it can mean the repeated sodomizing of an infant, endangering her life and forever destroying normal bowel functions. Any word this elastic is nearly impossible to use with any hope of clarity and learning. ("Evolution", another of my past studies, also runs into this problem big-time. "Evolution" is true - IF you're talking about bacteria "evolving" resistence to anti-bacterials. But it ISN'T proved by a long shot that man came from a "pre-biotic soup".) "By classifying these two very dissimilar events into the single category of child sexual abuse, a scientifically valid [and realistically helpful] understanding of each is threatened." Ia I will try to conclude in my writings that intergenerational sex does not equal abuse, but that abuse is sex that harms. The difference is important. Sex can be good or bad. What makes sex abusive is when harm comes from it. Isn't it (or shouldn't it be) abusive for a person or society to persecute and hurt little girls who have had consensual sex and have benefited from it? child abuse: "I can't help but feeling that if male circumcision didn't exist today, and someone tried to introduce it, they'd be arrested for child abuse. But it's traditional role as a major rite of passage is too entrenched to bow to common sense, or objective medical opinion." -Desmond Morris ("The Human Sexes: Passages of Life," TLC) "If child abuse is every form of inadequate nurturance, then being raped by your father is in the same class as being ignored or not getting help with your homework. When everything is child abuse, nothing is...." Wendy Kaminer, quoted by Eleanor Goldstein in "False Memory Syndrome: Why would they believe such terrible things if they weren't true?" - American Journal of Family Therapy Winter, 1997. We must be careful when talking about things so completely rejected as these. As, society has an enormous effect on our ways of thinking, be they right or wrong. "In earlier research we demonstrated experimentally that people who read scientific reports of nonnegative sexual interactions between adolescents and adults are biased by the use of negatively-loaded terms such as child sexual abuse." Ia "In discussing sexual liberty it is important to remember that all forms of sexual activity have been admired in certain places at certain times. There is not a single act from marital intercourse to mother-son incest, from masturbation to beastiality, that has not been considered praiseworthy in some cultures, or beneficial to health, just as it has been thought objectionable, sinful or unhealthy in other cultural environments.(p32) ... The distinction between immorality and unlawfulness is particularly important in the field of sexuality where subjective feelings of disgust and righteousness so easily distort judgement. Wise people may know and take into account that other men and other women will have different sexual predilections and may be sexually excited by individuals or circumstances which hold no attraction for others.(p32) ... Distinctions between two very different types of adult offenders is essential if rational action is to follow. Broadly, these groups are, on the one hand, adults who form happy and often affectionate relationships with children and are welcomed to a sexual involvement; and, on the other hand, there are adults who manipulate events undesirably by applying physical or emotional pressure."(p35) -Ed Brongersma "A Defence for Sexual Liberty for all Age Groups" Opinion: Misplaced Attention To Delayed Memory by Roland C. Summit "By now there are recognizable and organized camps in the battle and the backlash of the child sexual abuse war. It is dangerous to continue to polarize these camps, as if one is enlightened and the other perverse.... I am urging that each individual cons ider the personal and societal consequences of advancing opinion beyond authority, and feelings beyond facts."Ib I had originally planned this for one file. It has surpassed that. Now I am breaking the subjects down into their own files. My individual files are linked to below. I.Is sex evil? (about 6403 bytes - almost nothing) a) part one: religion says: b) part two: Is sex bad? 1.physiology: 2.psychology: 3.sociology: Is beauty symbolic or functional? II.Are children sexual? (about 13679 bytes) a)physiological: b)psychological: c)social: d)healthy sexual development vs abuse: e) Is a woman a sexual being after menopause? III.Can children understand sex, love, and consent? (about 12341 bytes) parental "ownership" 1.protector / provider: 2.Corporal responsibility: 3.Sex ed./celebacy: 4.spiritual guidance: 5.mental development: 6.parental youth: see "http://www.earthspirit.com/fireheart/fhpub.html" IV.offspring emancipation: Do children have the right to consent? (about 6108 bytes) sexual / romantic relationships: social taboos / ostracizing / persecution of the child: V.Can a CASR be beneficial to the child? (about 8852 bytes) a) psychological: b) social: c) physiological: VI. Is there anything wrong with men being romantically attracted to young girls? (about 12051 bytes) VII.Pornography and prostitition: (about 10341 bytes) VIII.Is America in a child sexual abuse hysteria? (about 10967 bytes) IX.Coming soon..."incest" A game the whole family can enjoy! I consider myself lucky, as I now have lived far enough away from my family that I can disjoin them from thoughts of incest, and imagine the possibilities of a physically loving relationship within families, without the immediate revulsion that usually accompanied my thoughts. This has allowed me a whole lot more objectivity in considering the possibilities of a benevolent incest (boy you don't see those two words together too often. Seems strange writing them). Now for my story...About me: My story, my feelings, my values. Uh, where to start? How about at the beginning...About 15 billion years ago there was this collosal exlosion, I mean it was a big bang! Then, I was born. When I had grown for about five years, I was in my room - "roughing up the suspect" (as some would call it) when my mother walked in! :-{ ! She promply opened a bran-spankin new jar of whup-@$$ on me, walked out and told me never to let her catch me doing that again. Let me tell you what went through my mind. I felt that the most important aspect of my being (my sexuality) was being rejected by the most important person in my life. It was extremely confusing and painful. This very strong feeling - instinct was of deep importance to me, (as it is one of the most important insticts in keeping the human genes propagating) No one had to tell me what sex was. No one had shown me what to do, how to do it. I wasn't quite sure of what it was there for, but I did have a strong sex drive. It may have been that I was the only boy in a house of six non-related girls! ("IF ONLY" is RIGHT!) But "how" exactly I came to know of sex can only be explained by "instinct". Jump five years ahead. A man in a van came along and told me and a friend that he had some cookies for lunch and that we were welcome to have some. (like this part is (sarcastically)..."really" important, but here it is.) So basically it was a quick physical act and a couple of cookies. (Hey, It happened to Beavis too.) Non-scary, non-painful, non-damaging! Now here is the very important part. What came of that - from my mother's reaction was another of the most painful moments of my life. When my mother found out about it she went to the police, but other than that, she either ignored that it happened, or mocked my sexuality, or punished me for showing any of it. I don't totally blame her. Fear of sexuality is the American Way. Almost all other societies have a better view of exactly what sex is and how it affects their lives. Instead of shunning it, they embrace it. (Death too.) What I want in a relationship. I want to teach her; math, science, love, self-defense. I want to hold hands in the park. I want to lay on the couch together and watch tv. I want to give her massages. (massages are known to be the most helpful thing to increase efficiency at work.) I want to get married and have kids. I want to give her the knowledge, self-confidence and support to reach any goal she sets. Why I will never have another relationship - of any age. Hmm, The long story or the short one. For now, the short one. 1) Society would be cruel to a girl who was in a relationship with an older man. 2) I'm about to move on, I don't want to start anything I couldn't finish. 3) Most relationships I'm interrested in would see me in prison. 4) I can no longer trust mayself enough to fall in love. (That's part of the long version.) I'm sorry I have to remain anonymous. One of my friends seems that he will not discuss it unless I go public, put my head in front of a gun and sit there for a while, waiting for just anyone to come up and pull the trigger. But then again, nobody blamed the Jews for not willingly marching into the Nazi death-camps - without a gun to their heads. Here's a couple of favorite HUGE sites. www.multimania.com/vanslurp/home.html - Pedosexual Resources Directory www.cyberpass.net/~plf/ - Pedophile Liberation Front And this was an eye-opener (just one eye) to a little bit of science...http://people.goplay.com/gldesire/rindbaustrom.html" Read this if you think you, or anybody else normal is not in danger. You are in danger in witch-hunt situations. No matter who you are or what you haven't done. here "Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority... It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights, and of the First Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation -- and their ideas from suppression -- at the hand of an intolerant society." Justice Stevens, McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission, 1996 "Anonymous pamphlets, leaflets, brochures and even books have played an important role in the progress of mankind. Persecuted groups and sects from time to time throughout history have been able to criticize oppressive practices and laws either anonymously or not at all." Justice Black, Talley v. California, 1960 "After reviewing the weight of the historical evidence, it seems that the Framers understood the First Amendment to protect an author's right to express his thoughts on political candidates or issues in an anonymous fashion." Justice Thomas, McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission, 1996 Here's a little bit of hate mail. I usually don't display this type of thing. But in this case, for some reason, I feel I must make an exception.here. Sources Quoted: Ia) "http://people.goplay.com/gldesire/rindbaustrom.html"